Saturday 25 May 2013

The best premed course in the Philippines (from the perspective of a UP student)

I was reading the different posts in Narinig ko sa UP (Overheard at UP) when an incoming senior high school student (don't ask how she got there, haha, but her name is Hannah Abigail Agustin) asked "What was the best premed to get into the UP College of Medicine?" From that question, I answered the clearest answer which gave her exactly what she wanted. UP Diliman's BS Psychology program. Statistically speaking, they encompass the largest chunk of qualifiers into the College of Medicine, thus making it the BS UP Med Premed course of choice, excluding Intarmed. Furthermore, being at the College of Social Sciences and Philosophy (the past AS and thus the "center" of UPD according to some pundits), they get to be at the heart of all things UP Diliman, guaranteeing them an awesome college life AND sufficiently high grades necessary for qualification in the college.

That would sufficiently answer her question (though honestly I didn't want to go into full details myself in the thread, since I'm a BS Biology major myself, and I might give the impression that I'm labeling BS Psych majors as an "easy" course for getting into UPCM, so I just said "UP Diliman Psych"). Of course, the whole thread caught on quickly, as you know how open minded and "opinionated" UP students are. And honestly, poor child, if I were there I wouldn't know who to listen to. It's not like we all have labels of credibility there. Though frankly, some of the answers there are extremely far fetched. BS Mathematics? BA Social Studies (Area Studies)? Sure, there are cases when one or two people from certain obscure courses get through. But let's be realistic here mates. We want the safest premed when we choose a degree. Something that more or less gives us a direct path to it. Thus, here is a rough criteria for choosing degree programs ideal for pre-medicine:

(1) It prepares you for medicine, providing a background on the sciences that are usually taught in medical schools, such as, but not limited to, the following: Anatomy, Physiology, Biochemistry, Microbiology.
(2) It allows you to get sufficiently HIGH grades for entry into the best medical schools. (You'll need at least cum laude for UP College of Medicine).
(3) It prepares you for the National Medical Admission Test, or NMAT. (90 is the minimum for UP CM. Most applicants have 99 or 99+)
(4) It provides you with a sufficient fallback if ever you fail to pursue medicine for some reason unbeknownst to me at this present time. (You can't just sulk if you don't go to med.)
(5) It interests you. (unless you just want to sleep in your classes all day)

Background and Grades, the premed uncertainty principle

Honestly, for most people (even UP students) no one course suits all of that criteria, with #1 and #2 being extremely difficult to reconcile (The health sciences courses, ideally the courses that prepare you the most for medicine, are notoriously difficult. To put it into perspective, UP Diliman, the flagship campus, had 15 Summa Cum Laudes. Meanwhile, UP Manila, the health sciences campus, only had 2, Paco and Bea, BS Biochemistry and Biology, respectively). I suppose if I were to break up the courses, I'd say there were three kinds of courses. Note: some courses don't fall into these criteria and thus will not be mentioned here. This is pretty much based on the popular premeds of choice.

A.) An "easy" course (I'm using the term lightly since no course is truly easy) that prepares you least for medicine. - I would put BS Psychology, Anthropology, Education here, since you can get a really high GWA with relatively less effort. I would also include courses like Area Studies, Behavioral Sciences and Development Studies (offered in UP Manila) since there is always at least one person from these courses that slips past. Employment is variable, depending on your specialization really, but it's usually corporate.

B.) An intermediate course which gives you a rough idea of what to study during medicine while having the right difficulty to ensure that you can still get high grades as long as you put your back into it. - I would put my own degree, BS Biology, here, since the course is challenging (Curse you Math 17) but many of those in the batch still proceeded to graduate with honors (with one summa). I would include BS Public Health and BS Medical Technology in this too since they also have relatively more Latin honor graduates than other courses in the health sciences. I'd also put BS Biochemistry and Chemistry here too, since they still garner plenty of cum laudes, though their course is honestly also quite difficult (though they don't have duty, so I wouldn't class it under the next criteria). These are usually the pure science courses, which usually require masters for decent employment opportunities.

C.) A hard course (health course usually) that can completely prepare you for the lifestyle (yes it's a lifestyle) of the health sciences and professions though usually has a toll on one's grades since the subjects are both physically (duty) and mentally (hard) taxing, and there are some rumors about profs deliberately lowering grades (curving down? is there such a word? haha) to discourage their graduates from going to medicine. - BS Nursing is the epitome of this. Graduates have pretty much already worked with doctors at this point, and some of them even chastise interns. Basically anything in the health sciences falls under this. Nursing. Pharmacy. Physical Therapy. I suppose Public Health would fall under this as well, but I separated them since they usually do well enough to proceed with medicine anyway, while people who usually pursue the other courses here usually just stick with their chosen career. BS Molecular Bio and Biotech also falls in here, since I've heard they have a high mortality rate. The ADVANTAGE of these courses however is that you have a definite fall back if you don't proceed to medicine (providing you past your licensure exams mehehe).

The NMAT

What about the NMAT? Honestly, the NMAT is a really easy exam. If you've taken the UPCAT, it's exactly the same, taken four years later. Thus, you would have grown more intellectually, and thus the exam gets easy. I included it in the criteria since I've noticed that some courses do better in the NMAT than others (I think BS Biology excels the most, with only their Social Sciences pulling them down, but other degree like PH, Bio/Chem, and anything science related also garner high scores). Generally, a BS degree should give you all the necessary information you will need to ace the NMAT. It's just a matter of preparing for the exam, and just using your wits (half of it is an IQ test, so I'm sure you'll know how you'll do there). There are plenty of review centers as well, but honestly the best thing to do is just listen in class when the pertinent NMAT subjects are taught to you :)

Fallbacks

As for fall backs. Well, honestly, the best courses for falling back on are the ones with a firm industry. I would say the health sciences are the most secure in terms of job security among the other courses I've mentioned above. The sciences (both pure and social) would usually entail two tracks of careers, academe/research, and industry/corporate. Unfortunately, some degrees lack the latter, such as my own BS Biology degree, making job finding rather difficult if you fail to pursue medicine or other graduate degrees. I'm lucky I found a job at the Mind Museum hahaha. If you have the money to pursue medicine though, this shouldn't be a factor. You should take the last factor into consideration, which is interest in your chosen premed, just in case you start to realize that med isn't really for you after all.

Interest

Interest. Interest. Interest. Basically, you need interest in the course for two reasons. One, you're going to be willing to study the degree and all its components despite having no intention of pursuing it as a career in the future. Two, you wouldn't mind pursuing it if you decide you don't want medicine anymore. Put it into perspective. Your real preparation for your intended career doesn't begin until you're around 20-22. You're just preparing for your preparation during your undergraduate degree. You better fricking like it. So, you choose a course that really intrigues you. I chose BS Biology in 2008 since I loved Biology in high school and since I honestly didn't mind pursuing a research and or academic career if I didn't pursue medicine. Oddly enough that's what happened, but I have no regrets whatsoever, since my job in the Mind Museum looks extremely promising and very rewarding.

So, I can't decide your premed for you. But I can give you a rough guideline on how to choose the ideal premed for you. :) I hope anyone who reads this learns from it :)

Things to remember when applying for the College of Medicine in UP.

The thread in question was written due to one's certain interest in UP's College of Medicine. Thus, here are some pointers that you must take into consideration if you ever plan to pursue this.

1. UP tries to democratize admissions. - What does this mean? It just means that it tries to get as many people from as different backgrounds as possible. Thus they put a quota on the number of Bio students, and try to get in some students from different backgrounds, such as Computer Science, Dev Stud, Fine Arts, etc. Of course, grades and NMAT are the absolute criteria with these courses as well, so if you decide on pursuing these courses, do your best.
2. It's harder for girls to get in. - WHAT!?! That's sexist! Here me out. Girls usually have higher grades than boys. Unfortunately (or fortunately for boys), UP sets a 50-50 cap on the student population. Thus, girls compete among themselves, while guys do the same. As girls have higher grades, that means that the minimum grade to be in a secure spot is higher for them than for boys, making the competition a lot tougher. As for why there's a quote in the first place, no one but the insiders know. Perhaps it's to stop a male drought? Perhaps it's because women tend to get pregnant and stop studying? I don't know.
3. There are 160 slots total. - 40 are automatically allocated to the Intarmed, leaving 120 slots, 60 for each sex. 10 of those in a batch would be MD/PHD students who opted for the 8 year program :)
4. BS Psych usually gets the most applicants - They usually garner around 30 slots per batch. BS Bio UPD gets around 20, while Bio UPM gets around 15 into the college.
5. Some have it lucky. - There are certain slots allocated to the children of UP doctors. They're affectionately called "anak ng diyos". Just keep this in mind.
6. UP has RSA (Return Service Agreement) - You need to serve the Philippines for 2-3 years, within 5 years, before you go and do whatever you want in your life. Haha. Think of it like this. UP is subsidized by the government, so you're technically a government investment. They need to maximize their cash, so you can't blame them for doing this.
7. There are also allocated slots of people from the provinces. - UP Med has something called the Regionalization program, where they get one person from each region to study in the college, and send them back to the provinces to do their return service. If you're from the province, you're lucky. :)
8. Study study study. - Grades are more or less 80% of the criteria used for selecting whether you get into UP. You're gonna need at least a cum laude to get in, and if you're from a school other than UP, you better be a magna or summa. :)
9. Your CV doesn't mean anything. - Unlike ASMPH, which asks you to submit a CV, and UST which requires certification from your different organizations, UP doesn't ask for that. There are only three things they look at, your grades, your NMAT, and your interview. I suppose what you did on your CV will help you on the interview, but aside from that, just study if you really want to get into UP.
10. UP isn't the only med school - There are many others, so if ever you don't get in, there are plenty other ways to serve the people. Patients won't care where you graduated from. And honestly, if you want to get into UP solely because it's UP, then honestly you're not the kind of student that deserves to get into UP. :)

Hope it all helps :)

23 comments:

  1. Thanks a lot. :) It really gave me an idea on how to choose my program. Some comments didn't really satisfy me.. telling me that I have to pass my UPCAT first. I mean, what will I be writing in my form if I pass it first. haha. well, anyway. My plan was to really take BS Biology but according to them it's useless "DAW". and common too. Most of it is about Anatomy. Non-stop anatomy. I don't know if it's true but that's what they told me. Can you like state an example of what's happening with this program? :)

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    1. As a BS Biology major then, I'll give you the pros and cons about it.

      PROS:
      It's easier than the health sciences, so it does help you get relatively higher grades. If you got to UP Manila, which is the health science center, you can take up health related electives such as histology and parasitology. :) I heard UP Diliman Bio graduates are trained well in Comparative Anatomy however, which helps them during cadaver dissection. Meanwhile in UP LB they have specializations, so the med people usually got with the zoology or cell and molecular biology specialization.
      The main pro as well is we own the NMAT. Most of my peers got 98, 99 and 99+ when they took it. Granted, it's easy, but BS Biology does make it much easier to prepare since everything on the NMAT is tackled by the curriculum.
      It's easy to get into any med school except UP. Granted, a lot pass UP din, but it's super competitive.
      You don't need to get additional units for some med schools. Some courses like PH and Nursing need summer classes since some schools require certain subjects. Bio never needs this.

      CONS:
      A lot of the stuff you're going study is honestly useless for med. You won't really need botany or ecology or evolution for medicine, so sometimes you can't help but think you're wasting your time.
      You won't have a sure job when you graduate unless you pursue masters or medicine. Which sucks considering magastos rin siya, as a BS course. Not a problem if you're decided on med though. In LB though they can specialize, so some tracks like the Microbio track can find jobs easily.
      It's still pretty hard. If you want the highest grades possible go for BS Psychology. :)

      Now in Bio (UP Manila is my basis) you pretty much study all the aspects of life. There's a lot of math (9 units). A lot of chem (around 20 units, just for preparation for Biochem). A lot of physics (10 units), and lots of Bio of course. Bio subjects usually involve fields like Plant and Invertebrate Systematics (classification and identification of species, with anatomy thrown in), Comparative Vertebrate Anatomy (dissection of cats ung main part, with some systematics as well), Plant Morpho Anatomy (mainly plant slides), Biostatistics (for research), Genetics (study of heredity), Developmental Biology (study of development of organisms, usually involves slides of embryos), Ecology (study of the interactions of different components of the ecosystem with each other), Plant and Animal Physiology (study of processes in life), Microbiology (study of microorganisms) and Cell and molecular biology (study of the cell and its processes, as well as the techniques used to undertake that kind of research). If you like these fields, go for it. Most of it is handy in med, except for Eco, and the plant parts. Good luck :) and feel free to ask :D

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  2. Thank you for your wonderful post :') but is bs psychology expensive? im still confused on what to take. What if you can't get into med school? ano pa ba ang mga trabaho na available?

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    1. BS Psych isn't as lab heavy as other courses so it shouldn't be that expensive. In UP though most courses cost the same depending on your bracket, haha, lab fees are the main things that bump up expenses.

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  3. I want to be an anesthesiologist. Is BS Psychology a good pre med course?

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    1. BS Psych will get you into the best med schools possible. Once you enter med, you'll all be starting from scratch. Some courses do have an edge once they're in med, as mentioned in my entry, but generally it's an even playing field. So, if you want the best med school, BS Psych is the best option (for UP anyway).

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  4. WOW! :) Thank you so much po for this post. A lot of people have been suggesting BS Psych for pre med. However, not all people compassionately explained and painted a very clear yet concise guidelines regarding this. As much as I am ashamed to say the next few words, I realized that I shouldn't be, primarily because this is a serious talk. So Imma stop beating around the bush. Here are some of the questions I'd like to ask:

    1.) What do you exactly mean by "you're gonna need a cum laude to get in"?
    2.) What does the NMAT really cover?
    3.) Aside from a higher probability of getting grades which'll be a great help in getting to UPCM by taking BS Psych as my pre med, what other benefits will I garner?

    Sincerest apology if I happen to annoy you with my Qs... I hope you'll see this. Good luck! XO

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    1. Hello! I no longer update this blog since it's been compromised, though I will answer your questions.

      1. UP Med has 120 slots of lateral entries (non intarmed qualifiers). 60 boys and 60 girls. It's arguably the best med school of the country, so more people apply to it than anywhere else. Because of that, it's extremely competitive to get into the UP College of Medicine MD program. To be sure you have an edge, you should aim for cum laude at least. Most people who aren't laude don't even qualify for interview (me included).

      2. I just took the NMAT again recently and I got a 99+ percentile so you asked this at the right time haha. The NMAT has two parts. The first part is an IQ test. You have four sub tests, Verbal, Qualitative, Inductive Reasoning and Perceptual Acuity. Verbal is all about vocabulary, grammar and reading comprehension. You'll read selections and you'll compare and complete analogies. Easy stuff. Qualitative will test your skills with mathematics. You'll be given basic algebraic and arithmetic equations to solve. You'll also have basic problem solving, and you'll also be given charts graphs and tables to interpret and analyze. Inductive reasoning tests your pattern analysis. Spot the difference, odd man out, identify the patterns in a sequence of letters and numbers, you name it. Perceptual acuity tests your eye coordination. You'll be given images and you have to find the mirror image of that image. You'll also have clerical stuff to do, like find the exact duplicate of an address, prescription or journal name. Just take online IQ tests, and you'll be fine for part I.

      Part II is what people dread since it tests your academic prowess. You have four subtests. Physics, Biology, Chemistry and Social Science. BS Biology is PERFECT for the NMAT since it tackles all at them at the exact level of difficulty that's needed for the NMAT. However, it is perfectly possible to take it with other courses as long as you prepare accordingly. The questions asked are relatively fundamental, if you have a strong grasp of your high school Chemistry, Biology and Physics you'll do fine (with some reviewing of course). The social science part is extremely easy, most of the answers can be inferred from the questions themselves. A quick read through of Wikipedia wouldn't hurt though. :)

      3.) Aside from getting higher grades for med schools, BS Psych is also useful if you plan to go into clinical psychology in the future. That's basically it. But I think that outweighs everything else, don't you think? :) Of course, UP isn't the only med school :)

      No problem. :)

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  5. THANK YOU SO MUCH!! Like really. God bless you!! YOU WILL BE AN MD, that I'm sure. :)

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  6. Hi. Do you think a BS in Chemistry (UPD) would be a good pre-med course if I plan to pursue an MD program in UPCM? Thank you.

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  7. Depends on how good your grades are. If you're extremely competitive it's for the better, though chemistry is quite difficult.

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  8. If you're passionate about chemistry though feel free to pursue it. Your premed shouldn't just be a means to achieve a goal. If you like it. go for it :)

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  9. Hi! I'm currently a freshman under the degree program BS Biology here in UPD. Before, i thought the Biology program was focused on human stuff but to my dismay, it was the complete opposite of it. Anyway, i'm planning to shift to BS Community Nutrition but i'm still very undecided. Most people say Bio (in Diliman) is impractical as a pre-med course since most of what you'll study in the program are irrelevant to medicine. But they say that being a Bio major pays off since early as college you are being prepared for the stress accompanied to the med proper life. But i dont know, is the training really worth it if all that you've trained for wouldn't be of any use? Anyway, CN would have been great for me had not my plans for the future was to become a surgeon. I mean what would nutrition have to do with surgery and stuff. Would CN be worth the shift? Or would i regret leaving Biology? :( i hope you could help. Thank you so much!

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    1. BS Biology is ideal for one reason. The NMAT. From my experience, the biology section of the NMAT is the most in depth section in a specific field. No field will help you with surgery since no program requires you to conduct such procedures.

      UPD Bio is awesome though, lots of them enter UP Med. Honestly I'm not familiar with Community Nutrition so I can't really comment on that. Be careful, students are not allowed to shift into BioDil, so once you leave you're gone for good.

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  10. Hi! ..I'm a BS Chemistry graduate from UST and I took the NMAT last November..dpat ba talaga magna or summa pag taga ibang university para makapasok sa UPmed? ..I have a GWA of 1 point something and an NMAT of 99 percentile. Thanks!

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  11. Hi, I'm a licensed pharmacist, starting to blog actually but with not much audience. Pharmacy is I think one of the best in terms of structure, study habit formation and pharmacology. My answer is biased obviously. Btw, I'm SLU grad. I took the NMAT recently and have no idea what to expect. Try visiting this site if you have time http://rxchiscorner.blogspot.com/

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  12. This post was really helpful, thank you! I'm an incoming 2nd year Biochemistry student in UST and I have thoughts of shifting. I got this program because I love Bio so I just added Chem to make it more unique, haha. But I didn't expect the program was all about Mathematics and Chemistry! I'm not into numbers and the smell of chemicals infuriates me. I'm thinking of shifting to BS Nursing because I think that suits my personality more since they are already interacting with the patients in their 2nd year and are already exposed in the hospital compared to Biochemistry students who are just locked up in a laboratory. The program was really hard but it's not a big problem for me since I got into the DL cutoff. My problem is whether I like what I'm doing and could bear with it for the next 3 years or just risk in shifting. I hope to get more insights from you. Thanks!

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  13. Hi. May I ask if this post about bs psych being advantageous as pre med course still applies presently? (knowing that K12 Curriculum emerged)

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  14. For UP Manila they changed their algorithm for selection. They don't take as many psych grads as they used to.

    -arachnoidmater

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  15. Hello po! I'm an incoming Grade 12 student and i'm planning to take UPCAT this year. The profession I really want is to become a Neurosurgeon. My two UP school choices are UP Manila and UP Diliman. For UP Manila, I'm planning to take up BS Occupational Therapy (first choice). For my second choice, I still can't decide between BS Physical Therapy or BS Public Health (PLS HELP). As for my course choices in UP Diliman, I also don't know what to take or what's a good pre-med course. P L S S E N D H E L P... I really need to make a decision na :((

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  16. Can you please give me the pros and cons of BS Medical Technology?

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    1. I'm actually planning to be a cardiothoracic surgeon someday. I am now a Grade 9 student and I always think about what premed course could actually help me ace in med school.

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  17. Hi! Just wanna ask. I'm currently confused on what pre med to take and I'm thinking if I should take Bs Medtech. What are your thoughts about it? Pros and Cons?

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